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don mcgahn. he was white house counsel for the first two years of the trump administration. one of the signal moments in the scandals and investigations that have plagued this presidency from the start was the somewhat inexplicable decision by president trump to allow don mcgahn to give totally unrestricted testimony to the investigators who were working for robert mueller. "the new york times" was first to report this last year. quote, last fall -- so meaning the fall of 2017 -- mr. mueller's office asked to interview don mcgahn, to the surprise of the white house counsel's office, president trump and his lawyers signaled they had no objection, without knowing the extent of what mr. mcgahn was going to tell mueller's investigators. mr. mcgahn was stunned, as was his own attorney, william burke, who mcgahn had recently hired out of krn that he needed help so stay out of legal jeopardy. mr. mcgahn explained to others he told white house advisers they didn't appreciate the president's legal exposur
don mcgahn. he was white house counsel for the first two years of the trump administration. one of the signal moments in the scandals and investigations that have plagued this presidency from the start was the somewhat inexplicable decision by president trump to allow don mcgahn to give totally unrestricted testimony to the investigators who were working for robert mueller. "the new york times" was first to report this last year. quote, last fall -- so meaning the fall of 2017 -- mr....
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it looks bad that don mcgahn rebuffed him. if you read the article, which i only looked at 90 seconds before i came on air. mcgahn's lawyer says a dip employeemat m-- diplomatic thing. they didn't take it as a threat and thought it was a professional -- i don't have the language in front of me. a professional request seeking to put a gloss on it that it wasn't something awful and nefarious. i think it was a poor move and looks not good. >> there's more details now coming in from the new york times which has not only matched the wall street journal report but has additional details as well. let me read a few sentences from the new york times story that was just posted. white house officials asked twice in the past month for the key witness against president trump in the mueller report. the second to say publicly that he never believed the president obstructed justice according to two people briefed eed on the request. one of the people said his reluctance anger who believed mr. mcgahn showed disloyalty by telling investigators
it looks bad that don mcgahn rebuffed him. if you read the article, which i only looked at 90 seconds before i came on air. mcgahn's lawyer says a dip employeemat m-- diplomatic thing. they didn't take it as a threat and thought it was a professional -- i don't have the language in front of me. a professional request seeking to put a gloss on it that it wasn't something awful and nefarious. i think it was a poor move and looks not good. >> there's more details now coming in from the new...
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now we've got don mcgahn. don mcgahn is supposed to come tomorrow. he no longer works at the white house. he's essentially now a private citizen. he has been called to testify. today the department of justice puts out a 15-page document basically saying no, he has to listen to the president. the president says he can't do it. how broad, how aggressive is this move by the white house, harry? >> so it's very aggressive, although it's not that much more aggressive than other white houses have done. but the real big move here is to say that it applies in the case of former officials. they cite no legal authority because no court has decided it with one exception. a district court previously ruled against basically the identical argument in the harriet meyers case. that was then settled out on appeal. but this is a tough one. i think the previous argument is going to prevail across the board at the d.c. circuit. this is one whether or not there's a testimonial privilege that applies to former close advisers that likely will go all the way to the supreme c
now we've got don mcgahn. don mcgahn is supposed to come tomorrow. he no longer works at the white house. he's essentially now a private citizen. he has been called to testify. today the department of justice puts out a 15-page document basically saying no, he has to listen to the president. the president says he can't do it. how broad, how aggressive is this move by the white house, harry? >> so it's very aggressive, although it's not that much more aggressive than other white houses...
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also breaking, the administration is blocking former white house counsel don mcgahn from appearing before the house judiciary committee tomorrow morning. the justice department claims mcgahn has immunity from testifying about his work for the president. mcgahn, a pivotal witness in robert mueller's obstruction investigation and could be the next insider to face a contempt vote in congress. this hour, i'll talk to the former fbi lawyer during the russia probe, james baker. and democratic congressman go gon' -- john garamendi is standing by. >>> first manu raju. this is a significant ruling for the financial records. tell our viewers about that. >> so just a short while ago a federal judges here in washington, d.c. ordered that donald trump's accounting firm may turn over records that the house oversight committee that they thought go back to 211. in this opinion the judge makes it very clear that he believes congress is well within its rights to seek this information. now, donald trump and his company had sued to block the subpoena. now, the judge's ruling, very clearly here he thinks that
also breaking, the administration is blocking former white house counsel don mcgahn from appearing before the house judiciary committee tomorrow morning. the justice department claims mcgahn has immunity from testifying about his work for the president. mcgahn, a pivotal witness in robert mueller's obstruction investigation and could be the next insider to face a contempt vote in congress. this hour, i'll talk to the former fbi lawyer during the russia probe, james baker. and democratic...
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mcgahn, getting records from people like don mcgahn, getting financial records from things like capitol one bank as well as deutsche bank and getting those six years of the president's tax returns that are being sought after by the house ways and means committee, that the treasury department has said no to. and that will ultimately end up the court. this could still take some assignment to play out, but at the moment, at least this victory, democrats hope, could turn into getting scores of records that so far they haven't been able to get, wolf. >> let me read to you, manu, a quote from this u.s. district court judge's decision. and this is a direct quote. these are facially valid legislative purposes and it is not for the court to question whether the committee's actions are truly motivated by political considerations. this is a significant statement. and remind our viewers, manu, why the house oversight committee wants this investigation from the president's former accounting firm. what's the purpose of trying to obtain it? >> well, they're trying to follow up on all of the allegation
mcgahn, getting records from people like don mcgahn, getting financial records from things like capitol one bank as well as deutsche bank and getting those six years of the president's tax returns that are being sought after by the house ways and means committee, that the treasury department has said no to. and that will ultimately end up the court. this could still take some assignment to play out, but at the moment, at least this victory, democrats hope, could turn into getting scores of...
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chad, you have the potential as contempt charges against don mcgahn. i expressed potential for that. house democrats are pursuing the contempt charges against the sitting attorney general. these are extraordinary times. >> keep in mind, what they would have to do. the house of representatives, the full house itself have not voted to hold william barr in contempt. it's not officially on the schedule. if the judiciary committee wanted to do this with don mcgahn, if he fails to show tomorrow, that would have to move through committee and that would have to come to the floor. there's some thought that maybe they were waiting to move the contempt of congress resolution against bar waiting to see what would happen with mcgahn. this situation with don mcgahn is eerily similar of what happened to harriet meyers from the george bush administration. the bush administration took the position that senior white house advisers had a special level of immunity when the president asserts privilege. that's what they're doing with mcgahn and what they did with harriet mi
chad, you have the potential as contempt charges against don mcgahn. i expressed potential for that. house democrats are pursuing the contempt charges against the sitting attorney general. these are extraordinary times. >> keep in mind, what they would have to do. the house of representatives, the full house itself have not voted to hold william barr in contempt. it's not officially on the schedule. if the judiciary committee wanted to do this with don mcgahn, if he fails to show...
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he's just written a letter to don mcgahn in response to be don mcgahn's lawyer as you know, of course, saying that don mcgahn won't show up tomorrow because the president told him not to and the justice department said that's okay because he has complete immunity from any kind of congressional subpoena. he points out that memo from the justice department isn't really citing case law so much as citing itself. citing memos from that legal office over the decades. and chairman nadler points out that one of the justice department rules that is completely ignored in that memo is he says the justice department's own be long-standing policy is that "executive privilege should not be invoked to conceal evidence of wrongdoing or criminality on the part of executive officers." amazing how that would have been left out of that memo today. >> well, and you know, for the white house to be asserting that people should defy subpoenas in the abstract because the white house believes or they can get the office of legal counsel to state or the president's lawyers aver something is true is one thing. bu
he's just written a letter to don mcgahn in response to be don mcgahn's lawyer as you know, of course, saying that don mcgahn won't show up tomorrow because the president told him not to and the justice department said that's okay because he has complete immunity from any kind of congressional subpoena. he points out that memo from the justice department isn't really citing case law so much as citing itself. citing memos from that legal office over the decades. and chairman nadler points out...
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this is our big story tonight sources telling cnn that the white house asked don mcgahn, don mcgahn is the former white house counsel, asked him to publicly state that the president did not obstruct justice. mcgahn refused. the source goes on to say that the president was upset by mcgahn's refusal to say what the president wanted him to say. i'll bet he was. the white house has since ordered mcgahn to defy his subpoena from democrats. sure doesn't seem like the president believes his own line that he was -- he's been 100% exonerated from the mueller report. if he really thought that, why would he need don mcgahn? this is all the more reason the american people need to hear from don mcgahn and from robert mueller. in their own words. and there's more today. i told you. a top lawyer, the top lawyer at the fbi, when the russia investigation began, is saying that he feels compelled to speak out. his name is james baker. and he says the investigation was open for "lawful legitimate reasons" and he calls conspiracy theories like those pushed by the president and the attorney general "bs." oh
this is our big story tonight sources telling cnn that the white house asked don mcgahn, don mcgahn is the former white house counsel, asked him to publicly state that the president did not obstruct justice. mcgahn refused. the source goes on to say that the president was upset by mcgahn's refusal to say what the president wanted him to say. i'll bet he was. the white house has since ordered mcgahn to defy his subpoena from democrats. sure doesn't seem like the president believes his own line...
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don mcgahn doesn't work at the white house anymore. don mcgahn is subject to contempt. he is a lawyer in good standing who might put that good standing at risk if he doesn't. don mcgahn has been called a liar by the president. he may have reason. i wouldn't expect him to go willingly, but my prediction is that he'll say if you subpoena me, i will show up. >> yes. >> my point, john, and i'm sorry if i sound like they have broken my spirit. >> that's what it sounds like. that's the goal. >> it's worked. i think i am channelling many members of the american public who feel the past two years have been disheartening for people who believe in justice. the reason i say that is because you see in the mueller report ample evidence laid out of obstruction of what robert mueller considered obstruction, but nothing happens. you see violations of the emoluments clause and nothing happens. nepotism >> emoluments is going forward in the courts. >> there is a feeling of exhaustion. we know it from polls, from voters turning away after the mueller report that they think congress will c
don mcgahn doesn't work at the white house anymore. don mcgahn is subject to contempt. he is a lawyer in good standing who might put that good standing at risk if he doesn't. don mcgahn has been called a liar by the president. he may have reason. i wouldn't expect him to go willingly, but my prediction is that he'll say if you subpoena me, i will show up. >> yes. >> my point, john, and i'm sorry if i sound like they have broken my spirit. >> that's what it sounds like. that's...
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mcgahn's testimony. >> reporter: tonight, the white house is stopping don mcgahn from turning over documents to house democrats. the latest jab in the showdown with the administration. in a letter, current white house counsel, pat cipollone, telling the house judiciary committee, that the former white house counsel will be ignoring their subpoena. arguing that president trump may want to assert executive privilege in the future and mcgahn does not have the legal right to disclose these documents to third parties. how investigators subpoenaed the documents as part of their investigation into obstruction of justice, and were hoping to make mcgahn their star witness? >> it's harassment and embarrassment, eating fried chicken and acting like fools is not part of the oversight function, the last time i looked. >> reporter: republicans are urging congress to move on. >> we had two years for mueller to take a look at this. he filed a report. it's on the internet. everybody can see it. it's over. >> reporter: but the gap between them and democrats is wide, with democrats still trying to gain access
mcgahn's testimony. >> reporter: tonight, the white house is stopping don mcgahn from turning over documents to house democrats. the latest jab in the showdown with the administration. in a letter, current white house counsel, pat cipollone, telling the house judiciary committee, that the former white house counsel will be ignoring their subpoena. arguing that president trump may want to assert executive privilege in the future and mcgahn does not have the legal right to disclose these...
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halle jackson asked account president about don mcgahn today. >> should don mcgahn be held in contempt of congresses? >> i don't know anything about what's going on. >> yesterday trump attacked fbi director christopher wray who the president appointed to the job after he fired comey. he tweeted the fbi has no leadership -- the director is protecting the same gang that tried to overthrow the president through an illegal coupe. that is not true, no one attempted to overthrow throw the president. that has never happened. american history. donald trump is one of the very few presidents who has been the subject of a criminal investigation by a special prosecutor work within the justice department. that is a legal and constitutional process. the reason for the president's sudden attack on his own appointed fbi director is that the fbi director disagreed with what has become the trump way of describing the fbi, a description echoed by the president's new attorney general william barr. here is fbi direct ker christopher wray refusing to say the trump magic word "spying." >> when fbi agents con
halle jackson asked account president about don mcgahn today. >> should don mcgahn be held in contempt of congresses? >> i don't know anything about what's going on. >> yesterday trump attacked fbi director christopher wray who the president appointed to the job after he fired comey. he tweeted the fbi has no leadership -- the director is protecting the same gang that tried to overthrow the president through an illegal coupe. that is not true, no one attempted to overthrow...
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and it doesn't mean don mcgahn don mcgahn is in the clear just yet. before this news broke, house judiciary chairman jerry nadler threatened to hold don mcgahn in contempt if he doesn't comply with a subpoena to come before the committee. >> we've subpoenaed don mcgahn and we're expecting him to show up on the 21st. and if he doesn't, he will be subject to contempt. unless he has a court order telling him he can't, which i don't think he would get. and we have -- he has to respect the rule of law like anybody else. >> this threat of contempt is just one example of the democratic gloves coming off. house democrats fed up with the trump administration's attempts to stone wall congressional oversight are mounting an increasingly aggressive campaign for him to comply. as the constitution demands. tonight the chairman of the ways and means committee in the house subpoenaed the treasury department and the irs for six years of donald trump's personal and business tax returns. chairman richard neal said while i do not take this step lightly, i believe this ac
and it doesn't mean don mcgahn don mcgahn is in the clear just yet. before this news broke, house judiciary chairman jerry nadler threatened to hold don mcgahn in contempt if he doesn't comply with a subpoena to come before the committee. >> we've subpoenaed don mcgahn and we're expecting him to show up on the 21st. and if he doesn't, he will be subject to contempt. unless he has a court order telling him he can't, which i don't think he would get. and we have -- he has to respect the...
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jackie let's talk about don mcgahn. the thing that's stunning about the president's tweet is that don mcgahn is the guy who was responsible for doing all of the things that conservatives say they love about the trump administration. it's don mcgahn who packed the courts with conservative judges to include the two justices that donald trump got in the supreme court. so what do you make of the fact now that the president and the white house frankly is trying to press don mcgahn to get on the same page as president trump when it comes to the mueller report. >> yeah, i think this is another example of the president taking action in a way that doesn't necessarily positively serve himself. you know, this president is at the end of the day very concerned with perception, and it's clear that he's consistently wanted mcgahn to correct the record to reflect what the president wants the public to believe, whether or not that's, you know, accurate. clearly don mcgahn does not agree with that and has refused on a number of occasions
jackie let's talk about don mcgahn. the thing that's stunning about the president's tweet is that don mcgahn is the guy who was responsible for doing all of the things that conservatives say they love about the trump administration. it's don mcgahn who packed the courts with conservative judges to include the two justices that donald trump got in the supreme court. so what do you make of the fact now that the president and the white house frankly is trying to press don mcgahn to get on the same...
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i never told don mcgahn to fire mueller. if i wanted to fire mueller, i would have done it myself. >> pamela brown is out front live outside the white house. what are you learning this hour in. >> we're learning more about the white house reaction to the episodes laid out about don mcgahn and the president's request to him to dismiss the special counsel. we have learned through sources familiar with this matter that the white house reached out to don mcgahn's lawyer william burke asked burke to ask his client to come out and say that the president's directive to fire the special counsel robert mueller was not obstruction of justice and that don mcgahn rebuffed that request. a source familiar said was because bill barr had already come out and said that publicly he didn't obstruct justice. the calculation was made among don mcgahn and his attorney that it wasn't necessary. the white house was aware that don mcgahn had told the special counsel his more than 30 hours of interviews. it appears the white house wanted mcgahn to co
i never told don mcgahn to fire mueller. if i wanted to fire mueller, i would have done it myself. >> pamela brown is out front live outside the white house. what are you learning this hour in. >> we're learning more about the white house reaction to the episodes laid out about don mcgahn and the president's request to him to dismiss the special counsel. we have learned through sources familiar with this matter that the white house reached out to don mcgahn's lawyer william burke...
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don mcgahn declined to do that on both occasions. the "new york times" writing the white house made one of the requests to mr. mcgahn's lawyer, william burke, before the mueller report was delivered. and once again after. sitting down with investigators from the special counsel's for more than 30 hours in total. the mueller report how the president put pressure on mcgahn to fire robert mueller. the president says this is not true. i never told then white house counsel dawn mcgahn to fire robert mueller even though i had the legal right to do so. if i wanted to fire mueller, i didn't need mcgahn to do it. i could have done it myself. mike, what are we hearing from the white house, if anything, about this? the stories came out midafternoon yesterday. there has been a conversation about the degree to which the white house had earlier exposure to the report, knew what was in it, and now we're getting some sense here of how they might have wielded what they learned from that report. >> right, david. that in and of itself is controversial.
don mcgahn declined to do that on both occasions. the "new york times" writing the white house made one of the requests to mr. mcgahn's lawyer, william burke, before the mueller report was delivered. and once again after. sitting down with investigators from the special counsel's for more than 30 hours in total. the mueller report how the president put pressure on mcgahn to fire robert mueller. the president says this is not true. i never told then white house counsel dawn mcgahn to...
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whether it was don mcgahn who defd defied his subpoena today. our colleagues, laura jarrett over at the justice department, laura jarrett and manu raju has discovered that the special counsel's team has been reticent to send imto capitol hill. they don't want him to appear political after saying two years saying almost nothing relating to his investigation. the investigation is ongoing and and william barr has said it's up to bob. that's a direct quote with an interview with "the wall street journal" as to whether or not he testifies. there's been some talk about having testimony in a closed-door setting. that may be a way to secure the. i've talked to democrats up here who say they want that testimony at least in part to be in public. and as of that moment, that has not been secured. >> phil mattingly up on capitol hill, thank you very much. let's go to our chief white house correspondent, jim acosta. jim, the president and his team, they're not giving an inch in this battle. and now these two new subpoenas are coming forward. any reaction, fir
whether it was don mcgahn who defd defied his subpoena today. our colleagues, laura jarrett over at the justice department, laura jarrett and manu raju has discovered that the special counsel's team has been reticent to send imto capitol hill. they don't want him to appear political after saying two years saying almost nothing relating to his investigation. the investigation is ongoing and and william barr has said it's up to bob. that's a direct quote with an interview with "the wall...
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don mcgahn rebuffed the request. the "times" adds white house officials asked twice in the past month for don mcgahn to make that public statement. nbc news has since confirmed this reporting. it seems we have finally found the one person in donald trump's orbit while he was perfectly willing to put his reputation on the line by associating himself professionally and in history with donald trump, would not risk being disbarred for donald trump. it's a pretty low bar. and it doesn't mean don mcgahn is in the clear just yet. before this news broke, house judiciary chairman jerry nadler threatened to hold don mcgahn in contempt if he doesn't comply with a subpoena to come before the committee. >> we've subpoenaed don mcgahn and we're expecting him to show up on the 21st. and if he doesn't, he will be subject to contempt. unless he has a court order telling him he can't, which i don't think he would get. and we have -- he has to respect the rule of law like anybody else. >> this threat of contempt is just one example of
don mcgahn rebuffed the request. the "times" adds white house officials asked twice in the past month for don mcgahn to make that public statement. nbc news has since confirmed this reporting. it seems we have finally found the one person in donald trump's orbit while he was perfectly willing to put his reputation on the line by associating himself professionally and in history with donald trump, would not risk being disbarred for donald trump. it's a pretty low bar. and it doesn't...
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once again, don mcgahn said no to that request from president trump. he refused to put out that i didn't think it was obstruction statement. as i mentioned, "the wall street journal" was first. "the new york times" has since matched this reporting in the "journal." the times actually adds that the president asked don mcgahn to make that public claim that he didn't think the president obstructed justice. not once, but twice. the news that don mcgahn said no, that he refused this demand from the president to publicly vouch for the president on obstruction issues, that of course comes as the white house continues to say that don mcgahn will not be allowed to obey a subpoena that requires him to testify before congress. the house judiciary committee wants him to come testify and to provide documents to him -- documents to them about what he testified to robert mueller about. the committee has subpoenaed him both for those documents and for his testimony since he has defied the subpoena thus far on the first part of it, which was the documents part of it, t
once again, don mcgahn said no to that request from president trump. he refused to put out that i didn't think it was obstruction statement. as i mentioned, "the wall street journal" was first. "the new york times" has since matched this reporting in the "journal." the times actually adds that the president asked don mcgahn to make that public claim that he didn't think the president obstructed justice. not once, but twice. the news that don mcgahn said no, that he...
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the reason that we subpoenaed don mcgahn was because the president ordered him to get mueller fired, either to say that he had to invent some conflicts of interest or just to go ahead and sack him. we need his testimony so the american people understand what happened. i know you're interested in what's going on, you know, politically within the democratic caucus. let me just say this, that those of us who serve on the house judiciary committee have been exposed right up front and close to presidential obstruction of justice and high crimes and misdemeanors for a long time now and we are at a certain point in our educational process where we think a lot of us think that the logic may be inescapable, not for impeaching or not impeaching, but for launching an investigation into high crimes and misdemeanors so we can figure out what to do. the constitution gives us a pathway through this crisis. >> i mean, that's notable, you jim sciutto said a lot of us. you just said a lot of democrats are supportive of opening an impeachment inquiry into the president right now. >> on the judiciary co
the reason that we subpoenaed don mcgahn was because the president ordered him to get mueller fired, either to say that he had to invent some conflicts of interest or just to go ahead and sack him. we need his testimony so the american people understand what happened. i know you're interested in what's going on, you know, politically within the democratic caucus. let me just say this, that those of us who serve on the house judiciary committee have been exposed right up front and close to...
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we know that the president has already basically called don mcgahn a liar, saying, oh, what don mcgahn reportedly said in that report, i never did that. this would be a chance for don mcgahn to clear his name, because it makes no sense, why would don mcgahn lie to robert mueller and risk criminal indictment against him, ruining his reputation, when we know the president has lied over and over, and he also let don mcgahn speak to bob mueller, which he did for hundreds of hours. >> so, i do think that don mcgahn will make the decision. and i absolutely think that he cannot ignore a congressional subpoena. the president can order don mcgahn all he wants. he's no longer an employee of the president's. and that is an important legal distinction. what i remember from my time on the senate judiciary committee is we were investigating the firing of u.s. attorneys in 2007 and 2008, and the bush administration didn't want to produce harriette myers, a former white house counsel, to testify. it went to court. and the court found that she should not be shielded from having to testify in front of c
we know that the president has already basically called don mcgahn a liar, saying, oh, what don mcgahn reportedly said in that report, i never did that. this would be a chance for don mcgahn to clear his name, because it makes no sense, why would don mcgahn lie to robert mueller and risk criminal indictment against him, ruining his reputation, when we know the president has lied over and over, and he also let don mcgahn speak to bob mueller, which he did for hundreds of hours. >> so, i do...
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mcgahn himself, and we do not have the documents that the house judiciary committee subpoenaed don mcgahn in order to get. documents about the things he testified to mueller about for his report. well, today, on the deadline where the subpoena -- the deadline established by subpoena for mcgahn to hand over those documents, today, the new white house counsel, pat cipollone, told congress the material would never be landing in their inboxes. "the white house records remain legally protected by disclosure under long-standing principles because they implicate executive branch confidentiality interests and executive privilege." they implicate executive privilege? i mean, you can argue whether saying something implicates executive privilege is the same as the president asserting executive privilege. we'll have more on that in just a moment. but the other big question is whether the white house retains any right to assert executive privilege over mcgahn and these documents and potential testimony at all. now that the mueller report has been made public, including all that material that don mcgah
mcgahn himself, and we do not have the documents that the house judiciary committee subpoenaed don mcgahn in order to get. documents about the things he testified to mueller about for his report. well, today, on the deadline where the subpoena -- the deadline established by subpoena for mcgahn to hand over those documents, today, the new white house counsel, pat cipollone, told congress the material would never be landing in their inboxes. "the white house records remain legally protected...
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what i mean is that don mcgahn doesn't have to follow a lawless order from the white house. he knows. he's a lawyer. he's a seasoned lawyer. that the privilege was already waived when he handed those documents over to the mueller team and also that this assertion that sometime in the future, he may be in a position that would implicate executive privilege. has already been ruled on by the courts as not asserting executive privilege. and so he should just come and be the first person in this administration who raises their right hand and does the right thing and tells the truth. >> one of the dynamics at work here is that since the mueller report in its redacted form was made public and don mcgahn's name is all over it and he's listed more than 150 times, his repeated interviews with the special counsel's office and the fbi are cited over and over and over again in terms of telling the narrative about what was happening around obstruction of justice in the white house. since that all came out, the president has been denouncing don mcgahn as a liar saying he lied about all the
what i mean is that don mcgahn doesn't have to follow a lawless order from the white house. he knows. he's a lawyer. he's a seasoned lawyer. that the privilege was already waived when he handed those documents over to the mueller team and also that this assertion that sometime in the future, he may be in a position that would implicate executive privilege. has already been ruled on by the courts as not asserting executive privilege. and so he should just come and be the first person in this...
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don mcgahn -- you know, there's been all sorts of guessing, whose side is don mcgahn on? does he want to testify in front of lawmakers, or does he not want to? is he just using the president, saying he cannot testify as cover? it is interesting because his lawyer, here's the rational that don mcgahn is saying. basically, he's facing contradictory instructions from two co-equal branches of government. the president is saying, you may not do this. congress is saying, you must do this. he's going to err on the side of the president's instructions. i thought it was interesting insight, in what they're using to describe why he won't show up today. >> lawyers have been saying it is up to him, which argument dusz does he think is the strongest? he has to weigh his former employer's desires and the white house's claim that this is not something that typically senior white house officials do, versus congre congress' subpoena, which has the weight of the law. i think what you're seeing him do is require the democrats do the same thing that they did with this case, that was decided
don mcgahn -- you know, there's been all sorts of guessing, whose side is don mcgahn on? does he want to testify in front of lawmakers, or does he not want to? is he just using the president, saying he cannot testify as cover? it is interesting because his lawyer, here's the rational that don mcgahn is saying. basically, he's facing contradictory instructions from two co-equal branches of government. the president is saying, you may not do this. congress is saying, you must do this. he's going...
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department of justice is not going to prosecute don mcgahn. he would have the public stigma of being held in contempt. >> so you basically have no teeth in the fight right now, in terms -- i'm looking directly at leslie for democrats on this. without don mcgahn, what does that get you? you've got the mueller report, nearly all unredacted. what else could democrats be looking for? >> they are looking for answers to the redacted areas. this is to the american people who want, as the president even says, full transparency. i understand to your point not just this presidency, but future presidency, why you have to protect the executive branch. i get that. but to your point, melissa, there were hours and hours of testimony, and congress in their position of oversight over the executive branch has the responsibility not just to the constitution but the american. >> they were offered it behind closed doors so that right there lays out what their motive is. if they won't ask the exact same questions in closed session, but insist they try to embarrass
department of justice is not going to prosecute don mcgahn. he would have the public stigma of being held in contempt. >> so you basically have no teeth in the fight right now, in terms -- i'm looking directly at leslie for democrats on this. without don mcgahn, what does that get you? you've got the mueller report, nearly all unredacted. what else could democrats be looking for? >> they are looking for answers to the redacted areas. this is to the american people who want, as the...
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one from don mcgahn's attorney and one from the white house. the white house instructs the former white house counsel don mcgahn to not turn over these records to the house judiciary committee. in this letter from the white house counsel, he says this. the white house records remain legally protected from disclosure under long-standing constitutional principles because they implicate significant executive branch confidentiality interests and executive privilege. now, according to this letter from the white house counsel, mick mulvaney, the acting chief of staff, has directed him -- has made it clear that don mcgahn is not to provide these records. now, in the letter from don mcgahn's attorney, he says there's really nothing he can do. he wants the legislative branch, congress, to cut a deal with the white house about what records can be turned over. and he said he is essentially going to be listening to his former boss. now, the democrats will say, look, the executive privilege question had been waived when don mcgahn had testified before bob m
one from don mcgahn's attorney and one from the white house. the white house instructs the former white house counsel don mcgahn to not turn over these records to the house judiciary committee. in this letter from the white house counsel, he says this. the white house records remain legally protected from disclosure under long-standing constitutional principles because they implicate significant executive branch confidentiality interests and executive privilege. now, according to this letter...
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that's because former white house counsel don mcgahn is now officially a no show on capitol hill. she is defying that house judiciary subpoena in what may be a final straw for democrats investigating the president. the big question now, how will those democrats respond? how judiciary committee is set to gavel in any moment and we will watch it live as house speaker nancy pelosi faces arguably the biggest challenge of her speakership so far. fed up democrats demanding louder and louder that she allow impeachment hearings now. >> if don mcgahn doesn't testify, it is time to open an impeachment query. >> the only thing we can do is start that impeachment inquiry. >> nancy pelosi is a great political strategist and we have to take everything very serious and it is a dilemma for all of us. >> all the breaking stories we're going to bring you. kasie hunt over on capitol hill and the house judiciary committee hearing set to begin any second after plenty of democrats had their say in a dramatic meeting overnight. i want to go to kasie hunt interviewing ocasio-cortez. >> some of these memb
that's because former white house counsel don mcgahn is now officially a no show on capitol hill. she is defying that house judiciary subpoena in what may be a final straw for democrats investigating the president. the big question now, how will those democrats respond? how judiciary committee is set to gavel in any moment and we will watch it live as house speaker nancy pelosi faces arguably the biggest challenge of her speakership so far. fed up democrats demanding louder and louder that she...
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sara, let's talk about don mcgahn. he says he's not testifying but in a new letter tonight chairman nadler is telling him tonight there will be serious consequences if he doesn't appear. what's this about? >> that's right. don mcgahn's attorney essentially provided a letter saying our understanding is that don mcgahn is essentially immune from congressional testimony because of his role he had as a senior adviser to the president, the president is now asking him not to testify. and, you know, as his former client his president -- the president was his former client and so don mcgahn will not be showing up and now jerry nadler is saying okay we are going to proceed in essentially a hostile fashion. we don't expect the vote to happen until tomorrow, it's not going to happen tomorrow, it's going to happen later down the road but i think this is indicative of how the white house has approached all of these issues. they're not going to give congress what they're asking for at the first take and ultimately i think this could
sara, let's talk about don mcgahn. he says he's not testifying but in a new letter tonight chairman nadler is telling him tonight there will be serious consequences if he doesn't appear. what's this about? >> that's right. don mcgahn's attorney essentially provided a letter saying our understanding is that don mcgahn is essentially immune from congressional testimony because of his role he had as a senior adviser to the president, the president is now asking him not to testify. and, you...
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>> i think don mcgahn won't move the needle even if he testifies. in a big picture sense what just transpired and this is the impact of what's gone on with a.g. bill barr in the last couple of days. there was a two and a half or three-week window there where all of us were dealing only with the four-page summary that barr provided which i argue is at odds with the mueller report itself. i think it's baked in. at the time the four-page summary was out on the street you had the president saying no collusion, no obstruction and to half of the american population, i think they have now walked away from it with that conclusion in their mind. it will be very hard to now go back and convince them otherwise >> that's a matter of public opinion. not necessarily a matter of truth though if the pursuit of truth is the goal, asking don mcgahn under oath did you think the president was telling you to fire bob mueller, yes or no? the answer to that question matters whether or not it moves public opinion. abby, i cut you off. go ahead >> the president believes don
>> i think don mcgahn won't move the needle even if he testifies. in a big picture sense what just transpired and this is the impact of what's gone on with a.g. bill barr in the last couple of days. there was a two and a half or three-week window there where all of us were dealing only with the four-page summary that barr provided which i argue is at odds with the mueller report itself. i think it's baked in. at the time the four-page summary was out on the street you had the president...
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gabe, he said if don mcgahn doesn't show up tomorrow and doesn't look like don mcgahn is showing up, he is calling for house democrats to begin impeachment inquiry. that would get the ball rolling to impeachment. >> absolutely and that's a significant thing he told you there. the question that you asked him, will overseen yor members of the judiciary committee or senior members of leadership go that far. and the broader question that cicilline and other members of the house caucus, do people understand the difference between impeachment inquiry and impeachment overall. big part of what they said for months if not years, we're not going forward with impeachment unless the overall country can stand for it. i don't think that the vast majority of people understand the difference, that an inquiry is asking the question, should we go down this road of impeachment. but it is a legal maneuver to compel more testimony. >> that's an interesting point, too. it was in 1998 when republicans were trying to decide what to do with the starr report, month before the midterm elections, republican con
gabe, he said if don mcgahn doesn't show up tomorrow and doesn't look like don mcgahn is showing up, he is calling for house democrats to begin impeachment inquiry. that would get the ball rolling to impeachment. >> absolutely and that's a significant thing he told you there. the question that you asked him, will overseen yor members of the judiciary committee or senior members of leadership go that far. and the broader question that cicilline and other members of the house caucus, do...
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he's just written a letter to don mcgahn in response to be don mcgahn's lawyer as you know, of course, saying that don mcgahn won't show up tomorrow because the president told him not to and the justice department said that's okay because he has complete immunity from any kind of congressional subpoena. he points out that memo from the justice department isn't really citing case law so much as
he's just written a letter to don mcgahn in response to be don mcgahn's lawyer as you know, of course, saying that don mcgahn won't show up tomorrow because the president told him not to and the justice department said that's okay because he has complete immunity from any kind of congressional subpoena. he points out that memo from the justice department isn't really citing case law so much as
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he wants to see don mcgahn threatening a court fight. it seems like this is absolutely where this is headed next. >> it does, hallie. you'll see me jump out of the way here because we are waiting for members of the judiciary committee to come to these microphones and explain more on what is going on behind the scenes. but as you saw there from jerry nadler, that threat to hold mcgahn in attempt. this, you're right, does set up yet another battle for the courts to destd. again, this process has been deliberately moving towards that end. i mean, once it became clear that the administration was not go going to cooperate under basically any circumstances, they were left with little recourse. obviously, the overarching question here does the drum beat towards impeachment in the wake of this. the sources i have been talking to in the halls over the course of the last little while, they're suggesting it is coming from the judiciary committee. those are the members, some of them are part of the leadership team. but, you know, there could be pote
he wants to see don mcgahn threatening a court fight. it seems like this is absolutely where this is headed next. >> it does, hallie. you'll see me jump out of the way here because we are waiting for members of the judiciary committee to come to these microphones and explain more on what is going on behind the scenes. but as you saw there from jerry nadler, that threat to hold mcgahn in attempt. this, you're right, does set up yet another battle for the courts to destd. again, this...
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this time at the center is don mcgahn. man who is critical to robert mueller's report and whose name was mentioned over 150 times. now he's ignoring a request at the instruction of the white house to turn over documents to house democrats. the white house is not yet asserting executive privilege but they want democrats on capitol hill who are trying to conduct oversight know they feel they have the ability to do so when it comes to mcgahn. tonight the white house is stopping don mcgahn from turning over documents to house democrats. the latest jab in the oversight showdown with the administration. in a letter current white house letter telling the house judiciary committee that the former white house counsel will be ignoring their subpoena. arguing that president trump may want to assert executive privilege in the future and mcgahn does not have the legal right to disclose these documents to third parties. house investigators subpoenaed the documents as part of their investigation into obstruction of justice. we're hoping
this time at the center is don mcgahn. man who is critical to robert mueller's report and whose name was mentioned over 150 times. now he's ignoring a request at the instruction of the white house to turn over documents to house democrats. the white house is not yet asserting executive privilege but they want democrats on capitol hill who are trying to conduct oversight know they feel they have the ability to do so when it comes to mcgahn. tonight the white house is stopping don mcgahn from...
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why is don mcgahn important? the house judiciary and democrats on the committee have been wanting to speak with him, he was featured heavily in volume two of the mueller report, the volume that dealt with obstruction. he spent 30 plus hours with the special counsel team answering questions. was he says directed by president trump to have robert mueller fired. that's the heart of what house members want to find out more about. there are a couple of questions i have, what will the house judiciary committee do. women they hold an empty chair hearing like a couple weeks ago or will they move on and will the legal fight continue to escalate. >> let's bring in pete williams. talk about the relate of all this. >> reporter: this is different from executive privilege. this is not executive privilege. this is what the justice department calls i mmunity from coming to congress to testify. these are co-equal branches of government, that congress cannot summon the president to a hearing room than the president could command m
why is don mcgahn important? the house judiciary and democrats on the committee have been wanting to speak with him, he was featured heavily in volume two of the mueller report, the volume that dealt with obstruction. he spent 30 plus hours with the special counsel team answering questions. was he says directed by president trump to have robert mueller fired. that's the heart of what house members want to find out more about. there are a couple of questions i have, what will the house judiciary...
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the president wanted don mcgahn to make a public statement saying he mcgahn, even though he was a key witness to all these matters, he didn't consider anything the president did to be obstruction of justice. once again don mcgahn said no to that request from president trump. he refused to put out that i didn't think it was obstruction statement. as i mentioned "the wall street journal" was first. "the new york times" has since matched this reporting in "the journal." the times kpaactually adds the president asked mcgain to make that claim he didn't think the president obstructed justice not once but twice. the news mcgahn said no, he refused this dammemand comes of course as the white house continues to say don mcgahn will not be allowed to obey a subpoena that requires him to testify before congress. the house judiciary committee wants him to come testify and provide documents to them about what he testified to robert mueller about. the committee has subpoenaed him both for those documents and for his testimony. since he has defied the subpoena thus far on the first part of it, which
the president wanted don mcgahn to make a public statement saying he mcgahn, even though he was a key witness to all these matters, he didn't consider anything the president did to be obstruction of justice. once again don mcgahn said no to that request from president trump. he refused to put out that i didn't think it was obstruction statement. as i mentioned "the wall street journal" was first. "the new york times" has since matched this reporting in "the...
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they are in don mcgahn's possession. so you see almost the shadow boxes taking place where the white house is trying to prevent mcgahn the documents that he has in his possession from handing them over. we don't though ts tho't know i comply with the request from the white house not to hand over these documents. another interesting thing about this, the deadline to handoff those documents, 10:00 a.m. when does the letter come out? in the 11:00 a.m. hour. that to me is an indication that this is not a white house that is overly keen on cooperating with congressional investigators especially as it relates to the mueller probe. but again, they haven't invoked executive privilege on mcgahn's testimony. they are hinting that they will do that and this that is the dwrekts they ar direction they are going, but they haven't formally invoked it. >> and meanwhile the fbi director chris wray just answer some had questions in frontcomm talked about the special counsel's investigation. what did he say? >> reporter: wray basically say
they are in don mcgahn's possession. so you see almost the shadow boxes taking place where the white house is trying to prevent mcgahn the documents that he has in his possession from handing them over. we don't though ts tho't know i comply with the request from the white house not to hand over these documents. another interesting thing about this, the deadline to handoff those documents, 10:00 a.m. when does the letter come out? in the 11:00 a.m. hour. that to me is an indication that this is...
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mcgahn is a really good guy. >> and a top democrat finally goes there on impeachment. >> if don mcgahn doesn't testify, it is time to open an impeachment inquiry. >> tonight the massive stakes over the don mcgahn fight. the implications of the new sweeping repudiation of trump's claim that congress cannot investigate him. and now bipartisan calls for impeaching the president, and the new reporting that trump's current lawyer instructed his former lawyer to lie to congress. >> i am done wit
mcgahn is a really good guy. >> and a top democrat finally goes there on impeachment. >> if don mcgahn doesn't testify, it is time to open an impeachment inquiry. >> tonight the massive stakes over the don mcgahn fight. the implications of the new sweeping repudiation of trump's claim that congress cannot investigate him. and now bipartisan calls for impeaching the president, and the new reporting that trump's current lawyer instructed his former lawyer to lie to congress....
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he's just written a letter to don mcgahn in response to be don mcgahn's lawyer as you know, of course, saying that don mcgahn won't show up tomorrow because
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he was never a big fan of don mcgahn's, ever, ever, ever. even after don mcgahn got him those two supreme court justices. i think mcgahn has to have a little discussion with himself, as susan said -- >> he's even a smaller fan now that -- >> not a fan at all. >> he was asked by the white house to say that the president never interrupted justice? yeah. >> much more right after this. (music throughout) has been excellent. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say "oh we can't beat usaa" we're the webber family. we're the tenney's we're the hayles, and we're usaa members for life. ♪ get your usaa auto insurance quote today. did you know the exact same hotel room...whoooo. ...can have many different prices? that's why tripadvisor searches ov
he was never a big fan of don mcgahn's, ever, ever, ever. even after don mcgahn got him those two supreme court justices. i think mcgahn has to have a little discussion with himself, as susan said -- >> he's even a smaller fan now that -- >> not a fan at all. >> he was asked by the white house to say that the president never interrupted justice? yeah. >> much more right after this. (music throughout) has been excellent. they really appreciate the military family and it...
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>> reporter: president trump was a fan of don mcgahn. he repeatedly praised him until he left the white house last october. this is the latest wrinkle in the great undoing of don mcgahn. he was the mastermind behind one of the signature achievements of the trump white house, which was packing a lot of the courts with conservative justices throughout the country. since then, he's become one of the many cajoles that they have been using. and the biggest named official in the white house, on riggs interference in the 2016 elections. that's what he was referring to in that tweet. i did not fire bob mueller. he was allowed to finish his report. lawyer don mcgahn had a better chance of being fired, not mueller. not a big fan. this is according to "the wall street journal" and other publications on friday, saying that the white house went to mcgahn after the redacted report had been published and asked that don mcgahn release a statement saying he didn't believe that the president, as has been conveyed in this report, that the president's reque
>> reporter: president trump was a fan of don mcgahn. he repeatedly praised him until he left the white house last october. this is the latest wrinkle in the great undoing of don mcgahn. he was the mastermind behind one of the signature achievements of the trump white house, which was packing a lot of the courts with conservative justices throughout the country. since then, he's become one of the many cajoles that they have been using. and the biggest named official in the white house, on...
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they know don mcgahn's testimony will only take them so far. hope hicks was around him constantly, his confidante, strategist. also annie donaldson, how did mcgahn describe the conversations to her to, again, figure out the intent. >> your colleague wrote an article a few days after the mueller report was out. i was just handed my copy. i have a lot of hope hicks and annie donaldson footnotes. they appear in the footnotes. what she describes in her piece, annie donaldson's notes could be seen as a parallel to the nixon tapes in that they have put in writing some of the reactions, some of the efforts the lawyers were taking and making to try to protect and preserve themselves, to try to offer the president legal analysis of some of his desired moves. when he wanted to investigate hillary clinton, when he wanted to fire jim comey, they wrote in their own notes to themselves and others, possible obstruction. they were aware he was walking up to and in some instances possibly crossing the line into obstructive conduct. >> they were very aware. anni
they know don mcgahn's testimony will only take them so far. hope hicks was around him constantly, his confidante, strategist. also annie donaldson, how did mcgahn describe the conversations to her to, again, figure out the intent. >> your colleague wrote an article a few days after the mueller report was out. i was just handed my copy. i have a lot of hope hicks and annie donaldson footnotes. they appear in the footnotes. what she describes in her piece, annie donaldson's notes could be...
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paul: let's start don mcgahn. the white house claim of a testimonial privilege. he doesn't even have to appear under the constitution because of the separation of powers. is that justified? >> it is justified, when message to chairman nadler, congressional power to obtain evidence, the context of oversight or impeachment is not unlimited. it is all because of transitional powers the case is compelling. first of all paul, we're talking about discussions between white house counsel.e there in the sweet spot, all forms of testimony and executive privilege. it is the most i can repair the other argument that's very interesting that is somewhat more complex were also very compelling, what are they doing this for?not really for oversight purposes because oversight power r is by literac power are we going to legislate things a president can discuss with white house counsel? no. what they really trying to do, this article impeachment sub rosa. like mueller to testify or don mcgahn to testify or get documents that twould justify the mueller investigation. to try to find s
paul: let's start don mcgahn. the white house claim of a testimonial privilege. he doesn't even have to appear under the constitution because of the separation of powers. is that justified? >> it is justified, when message to chairman nadler, congressional power to obtain evidence, the context of oversight or impeachment is not unlimited. it is all because of transitional powers the case is compelling. first of all paul, we're talking about discussions between white house counsel.e there...
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. >> i never told don mcgahn to fire mueller. if i wanted to fire mueller, i would have done it myself. >> this latest news will likely spark a new push for house democrats to get mueller as well as mcgahn to testify. tonight judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler sent this tweet saying this is why it is critical for mr. mcgahn to come before our committee and answer questions for the american people. the president cannot keep mcgahn from testifying. nadler says he's negotiating with mueller but it is unlikely mueller will testify next week. nadler added this earlier today. >> he will come at some point, if necessary we'll subpoena him and he'll come. >> meanwhile another house committee is using subpoena power to dial up the heat on the administration. treasury secretary steven mnuchin who has refused to hand over six years of trump's tax returns, he received a subpoena today from the chairman of the house ways and means committee. the irs commissioner also received a subpoena. these moves come just days after the "new york t
. >> i never told don mcgahn to fire mueller. if i wanted to fire mueller, i would have done it myself. >> this latest news will likely spark a new push for house democrats to get mueller as well as mcgahn to testify. tonight judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler sent this tweet saying this is why it is critical for mr. mcgahn to come before our committee and answer questions for the american people. the president cannot keep mcgahn from testifying. nadler says he's negotiating...
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mcgahn is a really good guy. >> and a top democrat finally goes there on impeachment. >> if don mcgahn doesn't testify, it is time to open an impeachment inquiry. >> tonight the massive stakes over the don mcgahn fight. the implications of the new sweeping repudiation of trump's claim that congress cannot investigate him. and now bipartisan calls for impeaching the president, and the new reporting that trump's current lawyer instructed his former lawyer to lie to congress. >> i am done with the lying. >> when "all in" starts right now.
mcgahn is a really good guy. >> and a top democrat finally goes there on impeachment. >> if don mcgahn doesn't testify, it is time to open an impeachment inquiry. >> tonight the massive stakes over the don mcgahn fight. the implications of the new sweeping repudiation of trump's claim that congress cannot investigate him. and now bipartisan calls for impeaching the president, and the new reporting that trump's current lawyer instructed his former lawyer to lie to congress....